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โธ 8d ago
i have tested alot of different softwares: nomadnet, sideband, meshchat, colomba,
ratspeak, meshchatX... both on PC and Cellphones. there are always problems from quirks
to straight up game breaking. things are going better and better with new programers
entering the field and coming up with new and fresh implementations. ive been looking at
Reticulum since the very start, what is missing is the user level software. no consoles
and streamlined options. my goal is to build a resilent on and off-grid comms network all
around where i live. emergency chat between people and message storage for AFK clients.
my questions:
1- is there an easy way to have chatrooms? 3user+ in the same window talking/sharing
2- do you know of a working way to file transfer using RNodes?
3- is slow switching time normal? for example RNode to UDP take a few minutes?
also please you are welcome to namedrop your favorite software.
the best i found yet are Ratspeak for PC and Colomba for Android
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โธ 8d ago
Glad you're enjoying Columba! For a group chat, you can try any client for Reticulum
Relay Chat (RRC). Nomadnet gas it built in now, and I made a small android client called
Eridanus you can find on my github. There are probably other clients by now too.
Re: file transfers over RNode, the real question is just file transfers over Reticulum in
general. LXMF supports file attachments, and Columba follows this spec. Regardless of
client, it doesn't care whether you are connected via RNode or fiber.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "switching time?"
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โธ 8d ago
for example both clients are communicating with each other via internet UDP servers. they
each already have a RNode running and ready in parallel with the internet. i then
disconect the internet from one of the client and try to continue to communicate in
between the two. it take a while for the communication to start again and there is alot
of failed messages. despite the RNode being set up for a while and the two node already
seeing each other. i notice also there is alot of glitching and strange down time using
2clients via RNodes (RF). when doing "Ping...Pong" testing each in between the two nodes
it works for a minute, then stop working, then works only one way. basically there is
alot of strange glitches and bugs using RNodes. i have tried many different clients and
nothing is reliable yet.
on the same note when i try to transfer small files it work OK via the internet, but when
relying on RNodes it is totally unreliable and seems to freeze the communication in a
one-way manner. strangely for short periods of times it work instantaniously. we are here
talking about <10kilobytes files.
Thank you i will check out the RRC thing!
also i am not a programer and maybe it is not the right place. i just dont know where to
talk about this to other people and try to find help. the programs have gone a long way,
but there are still troubles for normal people to use them.
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also i forgot to list my specs so maybe people understand the situation better:
RNodes = Heltec V3 flashed using the unsigned.io website
PC= Linux with Ratspeak
Smartphone= Colomba
everything is using the latest firmware/software as of yesterday. the RNodes are in the
same room as each other. by Ping Pong testing i mean sending "Ping" from one client, then
responding with "Pong" as soon as i receive the message on the other client. so i can
constantly send Ping Pong Ping Pong between the two nodes and see when the communication
cut off and is unstable.
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โธ 8d ago
Looking back through the RNS code and if I'm interpreting things correctly, the utilized
path (via a link) would take a good while to go stale. Are your rnode interfaces set with
mode = roaming ? If not already, it should help as it is designed for
physically mobile nodes (per the RNS docs).
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โธ 8d ago
schnitzel wrote:
> Looking back through the RNS code and if I'm interpreting things correctly, the
utilized path (via a link) would take a good while to go stale. Are your rnode interfaces
set with mode = roaming ? If not already, it should help as it is designed
for physically mobile nodes (per the RNS docs).
i saw this type of option go by when i was using another program, but it is not available
to me right now. this setting isnt listed even in the advanced tab of Ratspeak. ill have
to check on Colomba later. i guess some clients are using ??? as the default. i can
choose the frequency and coding rate, but not the role.
also i just found out by testing that when the two client send at the same time that the
messages are both lost. this is the main problem i think while using RNodes and those
clients? firmware? version in particular. i see both nodes are sending like crazy, but
the messages arent coming in. if i wait and only send on one side at a time it works OK.
i think it is the source of most of the instability and lost packets. i just dont know if
its a reticulum problem or a client thing.
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โธ 8d ago
Jambonet wrote:
> also i just found out by testing that when the two client send at the same time that
the messages are both lost. this is the main problem i think while using RNodes and those
clients? firmware? version in particular. i see both nodes are sending like crazy, but
the messages arent coming in. if i wait and only send on one side at a time it works OK.
i think it is the source of most of the instability and lost packets. i just dont know if
its a reticulum problem or a client thing.
LoRa is half-duplex, so transmitting devices can't receive at the same time (if you've
used off-the-shelf walkie-talkies, they're the same way. Pressing the talk button deafens
the speaker). If both nodes are trying to send messages without any breaks, they won't
have "listening" time to hear other nodes. I'm not familiar with the inner workings of
the rnode firmware (it likely has some handling to prevent trampling), but if you are
using markqvist/RNode_Firmware , try
liberatedsystems/RNode_Firmware_CE and see if performance improves.
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โธ 8d ago
ill try. i was a big user of Meshtastic in the past so it is why i was surprised by this.
normally the nodes are programed to shut-up and listen when receiving a packet. i just
dont understand how the communication is so bad right now even under the best conditions.
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โธ 8d ago
Jambonet wrote:
> schnitzel wrote:
> > Looking back through the RNS code and if I&#039;m interpreting things
correctly, the utilized path (via a link) would take a good while to go stale. Are your
rnode interfaces set with mode = roaming ? If not already, it should help
as it is designed for physically mobile nodes (per the RNS docs).
>
> i saw this type of option go by when i was using another program, but it is not
available to me right now. this setting isnt listed even in the advanced tab of Ratspeak.
ill have to check on Colomba later. i guess some clients are using ??? as the default. i
can choose the frequency and coding rate, but not the role.
>
>
> also i just found out by testing that when the two client send at the same time that
the messages are both lost. this is the main problem i think while using RNodes and those
clients? firmware? version in particular. i see both nodes are sending like crazy, but
the messages arent coming in. if i wait and only send on one side at a time it works OK.
i think it is the source of most of the instability and lost packets. i just dont know if
its a reticulum problem or a client thing.
RE: Ratspeak, it's available if you enable developer mode in the settings, and then add
the RNode - you can specify the interface mode. This has been available a while, but the
issue is that the UX for what's gated behind developer mode relative to what users
actually need isn't really optimal.
That said, if your focus is stability and debugging issues/concerns, you should use
probably only use Sideband or NomadNet before venturing out - a lot of other clients are
heavily beta and shouldn't be considered a source of truth for what is or isn't working.
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i wish i could find a better client. Sideband has horrible GUI and NomadNet is only
installed thru commandline (and started).
also i think its caused by AI slop, but most clients are eating RAM like crazy. my
Ratspeak hits 1.5gb right now.
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